Perceptions
So that you know the lay of the land here in the Valley of the Sun, The Arizona Gunslingers have a 6 member board. The club is a nonprofit corporation, a 501 (c) (7). We have one "can't" on the board who will oppose anything that expands the club, expands CFDA, or is the least bit different. He is married to another board member so he in effect has veto power. We have two or three breeze votes who generally do not want to put any effort in and they will vote with the breeze. We have one or two who will give any proposal fair and thoughtful consideration. We have one "can" who believes success is only limited by the willingness to try. Then, there are 3 or 4 who refuse to be on the board but they are the prevailing wind. It is really a pretty typical nonprofit board. The can't would prefer that everything be done informally so that his veto would control everything.
I think we are right back to where we were 6 years ago. I said at that time that I didn't think we would have another titled match in my lifetime. That is where we are at now. "Never have enough time" to do it. The truth is if we wanted to, we could put a successful title match in 60 days or less. We have the ranges, the manpower, the skill etc. Heavens, our club matches in November and December will be 60 to 70 shooters.
A little about the prevailing winds, I have been trying to get us to follow little bitty CFDA rule for about three years. I am met with "Well, that is the way we always have done it." I can only say "Well, that not the CFDA rule," only so often. Oh by the way, it is not helpful to be banished when I am trying to get the Arizona clubs to do a CFDA Bracket shoot. The only CFDA Bracket shot here in the last seven years was the Loess Hills shoot in May.
I have suggested a CFDA Bracket in August but so far have had no takers. Loess Hills is a charity that benefits CFDA clubs. It is probably being dissolved in December.
Perceptions: I have drafted laws, ordinance, legal documents for more than 40 years. I do not think the proposal lacks precision. I maybe wrong but will go through it again. I would now suggest main match, elimination factor of three, three winning shots match format shooting down to "7 or less".
For the 2nd chance match I would propose elimination factor of 3, two winning shots match format. (Would use Arizona Five if it was an approved match format for a side match)
I would anticipate that Rule IV 11 would be used to increase elimination factor based on turnout. At Pioneer with 3 ranges anything less than 120 would be a natural for main match elimination factor of three and bracket elimination factor of four.
Any confusion does not come from a lack of precision in the published event rules. It comes from the perception that the field must be static. It does not. 19.5 allows you to add shooters as you go. 19.5 will produce a bracket report at the end of round three. That report sets the brackets. Shooters can be added as they are eliminated from the main match. The Sage from the mountains said it was unfair to add shooters late to the 2nd chance shoot. But it is eminently fair. Every one gets the same number of xs. It is harder to go through 10 main match rounds than to go through 4 main match rounds and 6 2nd chance rounds. We score by losses, not wins.
I was a little concerned with shooting two different match formats at the same time. That is why I mistakenly suggested a main match two winning shot format. But I think this could be handled easily with the following event rule. "Before each round is shot the Range Officer and the Announcer will state the correct match format." I think I can get the match format placed on the score sheet, maybe 19.5 will do it. Will see! (Update, just did it. If you put Main Match as named of club and then in name of match "Three Winning Shots Match Format", it is printed out that way on the score sheets) This is a concern because the way this runs is that from the second day on, a main match round is shot, then a 2nd chance round is shot, then a main match round is shot, then a 2nd chance is shot and so on on each range. You would anticipate that the main match would be complete on the 2nd day, and only 2nd chance matches would be left for Championship morning with all shooters still in it but many shooters with only one x remaining.
Except for the "or less", this is pure CFDA. We can do away with that but I would really like to keep it. It helps avoid shoot offs for place. In fact if announced and advertised even the "or less," I think is CFDA compliant.
The goal is to have all matches mean something. Keep every one shooting for a cash prize to the last day. Do away with the frills and meaningless matches. Use all of the range time. Don't have 50% of your ranges sitting idle waiting for a draw or a match.
Shady says I need to go up to Nevada to show you how well it can work. Well, maybe so, but Everett only has 5 1/2 months left in him and he is pretty booked through the end of the year. What are you doing on the 17th of August. Do you have 18 gunfighters or more that would want to shoot a 5 x. No lollygagging and no downtime. I am suggesting the same for the AZ Gunslingers for the 24th but you know we have a "can't" on the board so the prospects do not look not very good.
I will give you a follow up on the little 4x we are shooting tomorrow. It ran well last time we did it. I don't do anything I have not tested first.
I think we are right back to where we were 6 years ago. I said at that time that I didn't think we would have another titled match in my lifetime. That is where we are at now. "Never have enough time" to do it. The truth is if we wanted to, we could put a successful title match in 60 days or less. We have the ranges, the manpower, the skill etc. Heavens, our club matches in November and December will be 60 to 70 shooters.
A little about the prevailing winds, I have been trying to get us to follow little bitty CFDA rule for about three years. I am met with "Well, that is the way we always have done it." I can only say "Well, that not the CFDA rule," only so often. Oh by the way, it is not helpful to be banished when I am trying to get the Arizona clubs to do a CFDA Bracket shoot. The only CFDA Bracket shot here in the last seven years was the Loess Hills shoot in May.
I have suggested a CFDA Bracket in August but so far have had no takers. Loess Hills is a charity that benefits CFDA clubs. It is probably being dissolved in December.
Perceptions: I have drafted laws, ordinance, legal documents for more than 40 years. I do not think the proposal lacks precision. I maybe wrong but will go through it again. I would now suggest main match, elimination factor of three, three winning shots match format shooting down to "7 or less".
For the 2nd chance match I would propose elimination factor of 3, two winning shots match format. (Would use Arizona Five if it was an approved match format for a side match)
I would anticipate that Rule IV 11 would be used to increase elimination factor based on turnout. At Pioneer with 3 ranges anything less than 120 would be a natural for main match elimination factor of three and bracket elimination factor of four.
Any confusion does not come from a lack of precision in the published event rules. It comes from the perception that the field must be static. It does not. 19.5 allows you to add shooters as you go. 19.5 will produce a bracket report at the end of round three. That report sets the brackets. Shooters can be added as they are eliminated from the main match. The Sage from the mountains said it was unfair to add shooters late to the 2nd chance shoot. But it is eminently fair. Every one gets the same number of xs. It is harder to go through 10 main match rounds than to go through 4 main match rounds and 6 2nd chance rounds. We score by losses, not wins.
I was a little concerned with shooting two different match formats at the same time. That is why I mistakenly suggested a main match two winning shot format. But I think this could be handled easily with the following event rule. "Before each round is shot the Range Officer and the Announcer will state the correct match format." I think I can get the match format placed on the score sheet, maybe 19.5 will do it. Will see! (Update, just did it. If you put Main Match as named of club and then in name of match "Three Winning Shots Match Format", it is printed out that way on the score sheets) This is a concern because the way this runs is that from the second day on, a main match round is shot, then a 2nd chance round is shot, then a main match round is shot, then a 2nd chance is shot and so on on each range. You would anticipate that the main match would be complete on the 2nd day, and only 2nd chance matches would be left for Championship morning with all shooters still in it but many shooters with only one x remaining.
Except for the "or less", this is pure CFDA. We can do away with that but I would really like to keep it. It helps avoid shoot offs for place. In fact if announced and advertised even the "or less," I think is CFDA compliant.
The goal is to have all matches mean something. Keep every one shooting for a cash prize to the last day. Do away with the frills and meaningless matches. Use all of the range time. Don't have 50% of your ranges sitting idle waiting for a draw or a match.
Shady says I need to go up to Nevada to show you how well it can work. Well, maybe so, but Everett only has 5 1/2 months left in him and he is pretty booked through the end of the year. What are you doing on the 17th of August. Do you have 18 gunfighters or more that would want to shoot a 5 x. No lollygagging and no downtime. I am suggesting the same for the AZ Gunslingers for the 24th but you know we have a "can't" on the board so the prospects do not look not very good.
I will give you a follow up on the little 4x we are shooting tomorrow. It ran well last time we did it. I don't do anything I have not tested first.
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